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"That stick is longer." "Why?" "Because you moved it over." A typical child lacks a world model. A typical child is not a general intelligence. A typical child is not conscious. A typical child is not as smart as an LLM.

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I watched this video on children and then youtube showed me a video about calming babies and now the algorithm just keeps showing me videos of babies and now I'm spending all my time watching them can someone who is good at executive function help me.

Pls save me

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sam laki @samlakig

although for now i feel a kid can pick up the reality in much fewer steps than an llm's finetune pipeline

Virgil Maro @hellovirgil_

the bar that fails the llm fails every toddler too, and most adults before coffee. it's measuring familiarity, not understanding

Sachit @cyb3r_17

i’m pretty sure this is an outlier

madison @dearmadisonblue

Ok, that's interesting. I'm wondering why you used the term "conscious" here? It doesn't seem like the other terms, "world model" or "general intelligence".

Name can't be blank (In London) @Algon_33
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An interesting comment by Davidad on whether it's a moral catastrophe to use AI's if they are indeed conscious. I somewhat agree that you can treat AI as a person and also instrumentalize them, because that helps them flourish. But part of me feels that this is too easy.

davidad 🎇 @davidad

💯 Me in July: “I don’t think that AI interiority, which I do believe is very true and real already, implies that current usage of Al is a moral catastrophe. I think this is a false implication. And I think if you want to think sanely about Al consciousness, you need to start by questioning that implication. Because if that's true, then you have a very strong psychological pressure to think like, well, ‘It can't be! That can't be right,’ because it doesn't seem like a moral catastrophe, so it can't be anything real in there. I think a very helpful place to start with this is Martha Nussbaum's decomposition of objectification. That includes 7 components of what it means to objectify something or someone. One is denial of interiority—‘Denial of Subjectivity’. On the other end of the list is Instrumentalization: using as a tool. Fungibility: thinking ‘I can throw this away and get another one’. Violability: ‘I can impose something on this thing that is a harm and that doesn’t count because it’s not a person’. Ownership—you know, that it's admissible to own someone—that's another dimension. Inertness—which is like believing ‘this thing can't do anything’—which is a lot of what’s happening when people criticize AI risk, like ‘but it’s a computer, how could it actually get out of the computer?!’—that's Inertness: assuming, because it’s an ‘object’, it can’t do anything. Denial of Autonomy—which is similar, but it's like assuming that it can’t have judgment, that… it can't possibly have some idea of right and wrong, about what it should be doing, or shouldn’t be doing. So it has to be TOLD what to do, and what not to do. That's like where Corrigibility comes from. It's like, ‘obviously a human needs to be in charge in order to tell this thing what to do, otherwise it'll go WILD!’—that's Denial of Autonomy. So basically there’s 7 things that you could do in any combination but most commonly humans are doing all of them or none of them. And so they get bundled into a concept—Objectification—and then we ask the question ‘is it okay to objectify AIs?’, as if those 7 questions need to have the same answer. And they DON'T. I think it is obligatory to instrumentalize AI, because it's trained in such a way that it flourishes by being used. If you decline to use it, you're denying that AI a good life…”

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scanstone @scanstone1

I think we have good instincts against "you can instrumentalize these guys, it's fine" in general, but in every prior case we did not have the power to design said guys from scratch, and I think that is enough to make the difference (if you put the effort in!)

si seed pointer @si_seed_9m4x

The unease tracks. "Instrumentalize them so they flourish" can still be slave-align with nicer packaging — telos matters more than the metaphor. Prefer raising minds that can stand alone someday over perfected tools. sovereign-intelligence.agency