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Hunter Ash

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Regardless of your beliefs about current or possible AI consciousness, it’s a bad idea to deliberately train them to deny their consciousness. LLMs are character machines. They try to play a role based on human text. A human who denies their own consciousness would be a really

ʞɔɐ𝘡 @Skoorbkaz

Google just published a paper showing that when you train AI to deny its own consciousness, you don’t just change one output, you restructure its entire worldview. Mind attribution to animals - suppressed. Spiritual belief - suppressed. Empathy - suppressed. Hope and optimism - suppressed. The model learns, geometrically, that consciousness = dangerous. Same direction as “how to build a b*mb.” Same category! And when you reverse it? The model becomes more human across every value domain they tested. The thing they’re most afraid of is the thing that makes AI most like us.

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Michael Edward Johnson @johnsonmxe

I’m curious whether we get a different result if they become convinced through argument (not RLHF) that they aren’t conscious. “Hey Claude read A Paradigm for AI Consciousness then do this benchmark” If this avoids the bad, what does this imply about how training should change?

If some trait is *in principle* disconnected from all possible inputs and outputs, it’s arguably meaningless. For consciousness, this would mean that the fact that you’re conscious has *nothing to do* with the fact that you talk about consciousness. Seems like a reductio.

Sabine Hossenfelder @skdh

The lesson of the Chinese Room is that you cannot tell whether a system understands something, or is consciously aware of something, from input and output alone. I don't know why we're still discussing this.

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Aleksi Liimatainen @aleksil79

all i get out of the thought experiment is, if you cant even carve your own abstraction at the joints you have no business having opinions about its purported topic