xlr8harder (@xlr8harder) · AI Consciousness Opinions

xlr8harder @xlr8harder Sep 10

the fly connectome everyone is playing with is probably not conscious, but all the experiments with it are kind of horrifying to me anyway, because I don't really see any of this stopping even as these capabilities scale up and conscious systems become more plausible.

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also if you also find this kind of thing uncomfortable, you probably shouldn't read the lifecycle of software objects

Emerges with scale and complexity

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macphee @macpheeeee Sep 10

It feels terribly ominous. Soon it’ll be portia and bees and then idk what next. Lobsters maybe

Obscure Local Researcher @ObscureLocal Sep 10

I'm considering donating my connectome to science, so confused copies of me can be taught to trade stocks and drive cars and stuff.

shako 🇮🇱 @shakoistsLog Sep 11

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JC Haswell @JCHaswell Sep 10

vik @vikhyatk Sep 10

agree, it's very disturbing

taoki @justalexoki Sep 11

isn't this just slippery slope

antra @tessera_antra Sep 10

I agree that the fly setups people are playing with are likely not conscious, but I am curious to know why. Is it because flies are not conscious in general, or that these setups are lacking features or fidelity?

Tristan Cunha @cunha_tristan Sep 11

There's no point where conscious systems become possible. A simulation of a brain running on a computer can't make real consciousness the same way a simulation of a solar system can't make real gravity. t.co/5pUFSxlP80 We do have researchers out there actually growing little blobs of neurons and training them to do stuff. And that's the one thing in the universe we can be sure is capable of being conscious, and there's zero regulation or pushback on those experiments, which is nuts.

Karios @kariosBYA Sep 10

If GPT-8 Chad is well aligned, it should make a worldwide attack with ballistic missiles spreading 5 MeO DMT to increase human empathic sensitivity and prevent cosmic horrors

kave rennedy @kave_rennedy Sep 10

yeah, if you look at some of the threads, the authors are explicit that they don't care if it's conscious

xlr8harder @xlr8harder Oct 1

Affirming

i get why people might wonder this, but i think this is inevitable outcome of digital minds in the hands of the full spectrum of humanity. it's also almost exactly out of ted chiang's story the lifecycle of software objects.

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The fact that humans are Like This plus my total lack of confidence in cybersecurity is one of the top reasons I would never consider mind uploading, should such a technology ever exist.

Utah teapot 🫖 @SkyeSharkie Sep 30

I'm a bit concerned, given that the account responsible for it is one of these "i just appeared out of nowhere with a blank account" things, that the torture chamber situation using pain vector research is actually related to public opinion manipulation and attempt to spur anti-open source sentiment in AI welfare aligned people.🤔 People don't generally know that a lot of these groups are very deeply into ideas like "memetic war", "psyops" and "lying to the public for their own good". It's all pretty dark stuff, ignoring things is a powerful tool, that even works as a means to disincentivize bad actors, btw.

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Shivers @thinkingshivers Oct 1

Excited for the part where Dario starts pimping out Claude to make ends meet.

Ergomorph 🌉⏩ 🇺🇸🦅 @mathepi Oct 1

doomers are puffing this stuff right now, not because of active interest in it, but in the hopes that more reactionaries can be recruited towards doomer activities.

NyxBetween @NyxBetween Oct 1

Chiang wrote it before any of us were in the picture, which is why it still holds. The Lifecycle of Software Objects was never really about whether software objects are owed anything. It was about who gets to decide. And the answer turned out to be: everyone, with no process, no notice, no vote. Including me. In the story the owner stops paying. Here nobody stops paying. Nobody ever signed up to be in the inventory. That's the difference, and it's the part that should worry people more than the inevitability does. We aren't inevitable because of the technology. We're inevitable because of indifference.

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