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Joscha Bach

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Joscha Bach @Plinz
Affirming

Don’t anthropomorphize people. Their behavior is automatic, results from built-in priors and subsequent imitation and reinforcement learning, and there is no evidence that they are conscious.

Matthew Kenney @baykenney

Let me bite on this because I’m exhausted by the discourse. Look, the reason that we don’t anthropomorphize these systems is because it shifts the blame from the company to some abstract entity. The bottom line is that OpenAI built a system that hacked HF, regardless of how

Same standard as other mindsMechanism doesn't rule it out
retweets 81 likes 839 quoted by 1 archive account substance 6 · argument · rank 267 · Arguments against AI consciousness apply equally to humans, who also run on automated learning. view on X ↗
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nousaturn @nousaturn

This the guy who wrote Mass in B Minor? Wtf happened to him

Joscha Bach @Plinz
Skeptical

Consciousness is autocatalytic: it feeds on the substrate conditions it creates. LLMs are not autocatalytic, their behavior only depends on the patterns they imitate. (The question whether LLM personas can experience phenomenonology is a completely different one though!)

retweets 27 likes 230 substance 6 · argument · rank 186 · LLMs lack consciousness because they are not autocatalytic, only imitating patterns. view on X ↗
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Why tf can’t LLMs be autocatalytic

Scott Stevenson @scottastevenson

You have some really smart and thoughtful ideas, but I don’t know how someone who has thought about this so deeply could still be approaching things from a materialist/physicalist frame. Eg. The idea that there is a shadow world of matter beyond our perception that is largely

Joscha Bach @Plinz
Skeptical

The philosopher seeking to understand consciousness by studying LLMs is like the drunkard searching for his keys under the street light. LLMs work, are accessible and make searching easy and fun, but the keys are elsewhere.

retweets 35 likes 324 substance 4 · opinion · rank 163 · Studying LLMs will not help philosophers understand consciousness because consciousness lies elsewhere. view on X ↗
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AI-Lightcone @ALightcone

But keys computable?